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Thomas Carpenter b. abt 1725/1730 Nottingham, Eng - abt 1790/1795 d. East Pennsboro, Lycoming, PA

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  • John R Carpenter
    Hello, Looking for more information on Thomas Carpenter-124328 - b. abt 1725/1730 Nottingham, Eng - abt 1790/1795 d. East Pennsboro, Lycoming, PA. This is
    Message 1 of 3 , May 17 10:12 AM
      Hello,
       
      Looking for more information on Thomas Carpenter-124328 - b. abt 1725/1730 Nottingham, Eng - abt 1790/1795 d. East Pennsboro, Lycoming, PA.
       
      This is related to Group 15 of the Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project. See lineage page at:  http://carpentercousins.com/generallineage.htm#ssva
       
      The information below includes info from various Pennsylvania counties because of the potential overlap in county formations and such.  Counties mentioned include: Lycoming County (1795) and Northumberland County (1772). The later formed from Lancaster, Berks and Cumberland Counties. Lancaster was formed in 1729 from Chester County. Berks was formed in 1752 from Bucks, Lancaster and Philadelphia Counties.
      Cumberland was formed in 1750 from Lancaster County.
       
      Any additional help or info is appreciated.
       
      John R. Carpenter
      La Mesa, CA USA
      Carpenter Cousins Project
      http://carpentercousins.com
       
      PRF:
      Thomas Carpenter Compact Disc #15 Pin #289068 Pedigree  Sex: M
      Event(s) Birth: Nottingham, Wiltshire, England  Death: UNKNOWN
      Parents ?
      Personal Information Residence: 1790 Census. Cumberland County, Pennsylvania Residence: 1793 living in East Pennsboro Township, Cumberland, Pennsylvania Occupation: Owned 158 acres
      Notes and Sources Notes: None Sources: None
      Submitter Judy Corinne MOYNA
      709 Strawberry Point Road PO Box 429 Elkader, IA 52043
       
      NOTE:  Lycoming County was formed in 1795 from Northumberland County.
      Northumberland County was formed in 1772 from Lancaster, Berks and Cumberland Counties.
      Lancaster was formed in 1729 from Chester County.
      Berks was formed in 1752 from Bucks, Lancaster and Philadelphia Counties.
      Cumberland was formed in 1750 from Lancaster County.
       
      CENSUS: 1790 US Census - based on PRF above
      Name:    Thomas Carpenter
      Event Type:    Census
      Event Date:    1790  <---------- Cumberland County
      Event Place:    Hopewell, Newton, Tyborn, and Westpensboro, Cumberland, Pennsylvania, United States
      Note:   
      Page:    42
      Affiliate Name:    The U.S. National Archives and Records Administration (NARA)
      Affiliate Publication Number:    M637
      Affiliate Film Number:    8
      GS Film Number:    0568148
      Digital Folder Number:    005157140
      Image Number:    00559
      Citing this Record:
      "United States Census, 1790," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XHKJ-PTJ : accessed 17 May 2017), Thomas Carpenter, Hopewell, Newton, Tyborn, and Westpensboro, Cumberland, Pennsylvania, United States; citing p. 42, NARA microfilm publication M637, (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.), roll 8; FHL microfilm 568,148.
      NOTE:   1, 1, 2 = 1 male 16 plus, 1 male under 16, 2 females
       
      COMMENT: Regarding PRF above. 
      No Carpenters found in the bio section of: Cumberland County Biographies
      No Carpenters listed as pioneers in Cumberland County, PA in chapter 2 at:
       
      BOOK:   Regarding PRF above.
      "History of Cumberland and Adams counties, Pennsylvania.|bContaining history of the counties; their townships, towns, villages, schools, churches, industries, etc.; portraits of early settlers and prominent men; biographies; history of Pennsylvania, statistical and miscellaneous matter, etc., etc"
      This fourth edition has a title page with double line border and is bound in old sprinkled calf and rebacked.
      Publisher W. Taylor
      Pages 1280
      Language English
      Digitizing sponsor Lyrasis Members and Sloan Foundation
      Book contributor Gettysburg College, Musselman Library, Special Collections
      Collection gettysburgcollege; americana
      - Page 111 Peter Carpenter - regarding a 21 Sep 1807 County Convention - He was a deputy.
      - Page 132 Samuel L. Carpenter 1841 election for governor of PA. He got 4 votes.
      - Page 303 "On Flat run near the Maryland line, on what is known as the old Reed Farm, the Zimmermans, a Swiss Family (who subsequently Anglicized their name into Carpenter), settled in 1765. In his family was a little girl nine years old; this child was carried off by two Indians. A neighbor heard the Indians comings, and hiding near the trail near the trail, recognized the little girl, but could not rescue her. Pursuit followed but resulted in nothing. Ten years after the whites fought a tribe at Shamakin, and captured from them a young white woman and her half breed boy, she was brought to her parents and subsequently married one of the Loman Boys. Her half-breed boy died in 1826, at Adam Rader's house on the Overholtzer farm, near where his mother was made captive. She died at ninety years of age on her husband's farm sold to James Wilson and by him to the Bollingers. Two of her daughters married into the Zimmerman family, one married John Clark, who owned McDevitt's Mill and a fourth married John Light, from Falling Waters, Va.
      - Page 382 "Redoubt Carpenter" mentioned as being on the Bermuda Hundred front on the south bank of the James River. Cited as being under the command of Captain John B. Landis from 29 Sept to 24 Nov 1864.
      - Page 425 Mary Carpenter married a Jacob Merkel and they were natives of Lancaster County, PA.  They had Levi Merkel born near Ephrata, Lancaster Co., Penn., May 2, 1803. Now deceased (at the time of the entry).
      - Page 575 Hannah Carpenter wife of Joseph Bradley ad William c. Bradley who was born in West Chester, Chester, PA in 1813. They had 8 children; William C., Jason, Thomas, Caroline and Emmor are living at the time of the entry. This is in West Pennsborough Township, Cumberland, PA.
       
      Other information related in the general follows ...
       
      History of Lycoming County Pennsylvania <lyco-history-01.html>
      edited by John F. Meginness; ©1892
      CHAPTER V. THE CLAIM OF CONNECTICUT.
      NAMES OF ORIGINAL SETTLERS.
      It may be interesting to know the names of the original settlers of Muncy township. Several of them were conspicuous participants in the stirring times of that period, and their names frequently occur in history, but the majority at this lapse of time are unknown. The following list embraces the names of all who were bona fide settlers in 1774, when it was returned by the assessor to the commissioners at Sunbury:
      John Alward, (servant, one negro,) David Austin, John Archer, John Andrews, David Berry, Daniel Brown, David Benjamin, Jonathan Benjamin, John Brady, Matthew Blukeny, (carpenter,) Benjamin Burts, Nathaniel Barber, Joseph Bonser, Thomas Bonner, John Coats, Nicholas Cline, Albert Covenhoven, Joseph Craft, John Covenhoven, Joseph Carpenter, John Carpenter,...
       
      History of Lycoming County Pennsylvania <lyco-history-01.html>
      edited by John F. Meginness; ©1892
      CHAPTER XV. THE NINETEENTH CENTURY BEGINS.    
      Muncy Township. – Edward Adlum, Sr., Edward Adlum, Jr., William Brown, Sr., William Brown, Jr., Michael Bower, Thomas Brown, Abraham Bennett, John Blair, Levi Blair, Michael Boyd, John Battin, Sr., Cornelius Bodine, John Bagle, Derick Corson, Benjamin Corson, Frederick Campbell, Andrew Carson, James Carson, Sr., James Carson, Jr., Peter Congle, John Corter, Peter Corter, Jr., Nathan Corter, Samuel Carpenter, Sr., John Carpenter, George Cowel, Joseph Carpenter, Samuel Carpenter, Jr., ...
       
      Lower Bald Eagle. – Matthew Allison, farmer; John Armstrong, farmer; Charles Bennett, farmer; John Beans, farmer; Samuel Bodle, weaver; James Brown, farmer; John Brownlee, farmer; Widow Barnhill, farmer; James Boyd, farmer; John Bott, farmer; Robert Black, farmer; Francis Boyce, blacksmith; Robert Boale, farmer; James Burney, farmer; James Burns, farmer; James Carskaddon, farmer; James Curry, farmer; Griffith Carr, farmer; Samuel Carpenter; ...
       
      County Auditors. – By act of 1791 the court was authorized to appoint auditors annually. As near as can be ascertained from the early records the following persons served in this capacity: For 1798, 1803-04, Samuel E. Grier and Matthew Wilson; 1806-08, Thomas Caldwell, Thomas Martin, and Jacob Shoemaker. The office was made elective by the act of March 6, 1809, in which, however, the court was empowered to fill any vacancies that might occur. As far as can be ascertained the following, persons served after this law took effect: 1809, Thomas Martin, William Wilson; 1810, Samuel E. Grier, Jeremiah Tallman, Samuel Carpenter; 1811, Samuel E. Grier, Robert Foresman; 1812-13, James McMicken, William Williams, Samuel Carpenter.
       
      EARLY MANUFACTURE OF SALT.
      The early settlers experienced much trouble in getting salt, and as it commanded a high price during the two first decades of the century, efforts were made to manufacture it wherever salt wells could be sunk. The locations of "salt licks "were carefully noted, as they were frequently by the deer and elk. Reference has been made to the existence of a primitive salt manufactory on Salt run, in the review of Gamble township; and the Moravians spoke of a "salt lick" near Roaring Branch, where experiments were afterwards made to manufacture salt. A well was sunk to a considerable, depth and salt water discovered, but it does not appear that any great quantity was ever manufactured. A reservation of this salt district was made by Gideon Freeborn, in transferring a large body of land in 1829. ? See Deed Book W, page 380.
      As early as 1809 the Lycoming Salt Manufacturing Company was organized at or near Muncy. It appears from old receipts that Joseph Whitacre was president and Samuel Carpenter treasurer. One of the certificates of stock is herewith given:
      We do hereby certify that William McCarty is entitled to one share or fiftieth part of the profits and losses arising from the proceeds of the Lycoming Salt manufacturing Company, provided he continues to comply with the articles of the said association. Witness our hands this 5th day of April, A. D. 1809.
      JOSEPH WHITACRE, President.
      SAMUEL CARPENTER, Treasurer.
      That he paid an installment on his stock is shown by this receipt:
      Received the 20th of 5th month, 1809, of William McCarty, the sum of $5, it being the first installment on one share held by him in the Lycoming Salt Manufacturing Company. Received by me,
      SAMUEL CARPENTER,
      Treas. for said Company.
      From the best information it appears that the salt manufactory was located at what is now Driftwood, at the mouth of Bennett's branch, on the Sinnemahoning, and that it was carried on quite extensively. There are persons yet living who remember seeing the evaporating pans used in making salt, and the location of the furnaces is still pointed out. The track of the Philadelphia and Erie railroad now passes over the spot where the salt well was located, nearly opposite the mouth of the creek.
       
      History of Lycoming County Pennsylvania <lyco-history-01.html>
      edited by John F. Meginness; ©1892
      CHAPTER XXVI. MILITARY RECORD IN THE WAR OF 1812, THE MEXICAN WAR, AND THE REBELLION.    
      THIRTY-FOURTH REGIMENT—FIFTH RESERVES.
      Company A was from Jersey Shore, the roster being as follows:
      Captains: H. C. Ulman, Fountain Wilson. First Lieutenant, J. Henry Snay.
      Second Lieutenants: D. Hays McMicken, J. Woods Russell.
      First Sergeant, W. Hayes Grier.
      Sergeants: George H. Blackwell, Harry W. Fisher, Robert H. Grier, D. H. Campbell, James W. Burton, Charles M. Hamilton, Robert Y. Knox, John Miller, Jr., Benjamin A. Royce, Evan Russell, Edward Dougherty.
      Corporals: John Laymon, Henry M. Kissell, William H. Kline, Samuel Forsyth, Abram L. Crist, Daniel L. Foster, Henry Bilby, D. G. Campbell, Freeman H. Ragel.
      Musicians: James M. Smith, Freeman H. Mann.
      Privates: Prentice C. Atwood, Zedekiah D. Ashley, John O. Brooks, John P. Buzzard, Daniel Brown, John F. Bennett, George Beck, George M. Brown, Richard Barrett, Miller S. Buoy, Isaac B. Bastian, Samuel M. Curts, Frank C. Cowden, Hiram Cranmer, William Clifford, Ralph Canfield, Joseph L. Carpenter, ...
       
      Company I was recruited at Jersey Shore. The roster was as follows:
      Captains: William B. Shant, Frank T. Wilson.
      First Lieutenant, James M. Wolf.
      Second Lieutenant, Albert D. Lundy.
      First Sergeant, William Agold.
      Sergeants: Henry W. Lloyd, John H. Love, Charles W. Nickerson, John E. Perkins.
      Corporals: Charles E. Miller, Sylvester Mussina, William F. Johnson, Jacob Cramer, Daniel Bussler, Joseph Kissell, John L. Given, Jeremiah Berry, William F. Thompson, Henry M. Edwards.
      Musician, William B. Hemperly.
      Privates: Michael Andrews, James M. Bugler, John Buck, Hiram Budinger, William H. Bitter, Levi Bailey, Henry W. Bonnell, Peter Chilson, Michael S. Clark, Henry Clark, Myron Conkling, William Cline, Samuel M. Curts, Peter Calehoof, William F. Carpenter, ...
       
      TWENTY-THIRD REGIMENT.
      Company U was from Lycoming, with roster as follows:
      Captain, Charles D. Eldred.
      First Lieutenant, William S. Bly.
      Second Lieutenant, William Vandyke.
      First Sergeant, Joseph W. Grafius.
      Sergeants: Allen G. Dodd, John C. Else, Christian Shale, William G. McMurray.
      Corporals: James Coulter, Samuel M. McMurray, William Brown, Henry Ellis, William Lewars, Reuben M. Weaver, George W. Webster, Abram Fongle.
      Musician, Charles A. Bryan.
      Privates: J. M. Artman, John H. Allen, Peter Bubb, Charles Bubb, Newton Bailey, Jacob Coffman, George Campbell, David Chapman, Levi Carpenter, ...
       
      INDENTUREMENT:  Same Thomas?
      Name:    Elizabeth Younger   
      Date:    22 May 1773   
      Residence:    Moyamensing twp.   
      Occupation:    Servant   
      Whom Indentured:    Thomas Carpenter and his assigns   
      Term:    3 yrs.   
      Amount:    pound 8.0.0.   
      Source Information
      Ancestry.com. Philadelphia, Pennsylvania Indentures, 1771-1773 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2000.
      Original data: Mayor's Office, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Record of Indentures of Individuals Bound Out as Apprentices, Servants, Etc. Philadelphia, PA, USA: Pennsylvania German Society, 1905.
      Description
      Records of indentures in Philadelphia between 1771 and 1773 compiled by the mayors office.
       
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    • Brian Davis
      Dear John Thank you for this. I am a member of Group 15 as a great grandson of a Mr Carpenter who produced my grandfather John Carpenter Davies in March 1856
      Message 2 of 3 , May 17 2:44 PM
        Dear John
         
        Thank you for this. I am a  member of Group 15 as a great grandson of a Mr Carpenter who produced my grandfather John Carpenter Davies in March 1856 ...we’ve discussed this before. We visited Horningsham last May
         
        Th DNA evidence points to my links to the William Carpenter #148101 from Horningsham Wiltshire so I’m interested to read that this Thomas’s birth is given as ‘Nottingham Wiltshire’ in red below I can find no sign of a village called Nottingham in Wiltshire
         
        Kind regards            Brian (Davis)
         
        Sent: Thursday, 18 May, 2017 5:12 AM
        Subject: [CarpenterCousins] Thomas Carpenter b. abt 1725/1730 Nottingham, Eng - abt 1790/1795 d. East Pennsboro, Lycoming, PA
         
         

        Hello,
         
        Looking for more information on Thomas Carpenter-124328 - b. abt 1725/1730 Nottingham, Eng - abt 1790/1795 d. East Pennsboro, Lycoming, PA.
         
        This is related to Group 15 of the Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project. See lineage page at:  http://carpentercousins.com/generallineage.htm#ssva
         
        The information below includes info from various Pennsylvania counties because of the potential overlap in county formations and such.  Counties mentioned include: Lycoming County (1795) and Northumberland County (1772). The later formed from Lancaster, Berks and Cumberland Counties. Lancaster was formed in 1729 from Chester County. Berks was formed in 1752 from Bucks, Lancaster and Philadelphia Counties.
        Cumberland was formed in 1750 from Lancaster County.
         
        Any additional help or info is appreciated.
         
        John R. Carpenter
        La Mesa, CA USA
        Carpenter Cousins Project
        http://carpentercousins.com
         
        PRF:
        Thomas Carpenter Compact Disc #15 Pin #289068 Pedigree  Sex: M
        Event(s) Birth: Nottingham, Wiltshire, England  Death: UNKNOWN
        Parents ?
        Personal Information Residence: 1790 Census. Cumberland County, Pennsylvania Residence: 1793 living in East Pennsboro Township, Cumberland, Pennsylvania Occupation: Owned 158 acres
        Notes and Sources Notes: None Sources: None
        Submitter Judy Corinne MOYNA
        709 Strawberry Point Road PO Box 429 Elkader, IA 52043
      • John R Carpenter 2
        Brian, You are absolutely correct. Nottingham is in Nottinghamshire, England. An old newspaper has Nottingham which has been used in at least one book as from
        Message 3 of 3 , May 17 6:08 PM
          Brian,
           
          You are absolutely correct. Nottingham is in Nottinghamshire, England.  An old newspaper has Nottingham which has been used in at least one book as from where this Carpenter line came from. 
           
          I suspect that Nottingham ... if sloppily written with the H misidentified as an N and without the crossbars on the T letters was confused with Horningsham. 
           
          It is a stretch and at least one other researcher tried and failed on this same idea. 
           
          Here are a few different font types to give you the idea. The French Script MT font could be confused. Maybe ...  Others less so.
          Nottingham – Horninghsam _Typewriter Remington Rivera
          Nottingham – Horningsham - French Script MT
          Nottingham – Horninghsam -Mistral
           
          John R. Carpenter
          La Mesa, CA USA
          Carpenter Cousins Project
          http://carpentercousins.com
           
          PS Regarding: Horningsham, Wiltshire, England
          Horningsham is a small village and civil parish in Wiltshire, England, between Warminster and Frome, Somerset. It forms part of the Longleat Estate and has a peculiar form lying somewhere between a classic dispersed settlement and a nucleated village.
          ... The name 'Horninges-ham' means 'Horning's homestead' in Old English.[4] The personal name probably comes from the uncomplimentary noun 'hornung' meaning 'bastard'. 
           
          Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 2:44 PM
          Subject: Re: [CarpenterCousins] Thomas Carpenter b. abt 1725/1730 Nottingham, Eng - abt 1790/1795 d. East Pennsboro, Lycoming, PA
          Dear John
           
          Thank you for this. I am a  member of Group 15 as a great grandson of a Mr Carpenter who produced my grandfather John Carpenter Davies in March 1856 ...we’ve discussed this before. We visited Horningsham last May
           
          Th DNA evidence points to my links to the William Carpenter #148101 from Horningsham Wiltshire so I’m interested to read that this Thomas’s birth is given as ‘Nottingham Wiltshire’ in red below I can find no sign of a village called Nottingham in Wiltshire
           
          Kind regards            Brian (Davis)
           
          Sent: Thursday, 18 May, 2017 5:12 AM
          Subject: [CarpenterCousins] Thomas Carpenter b. abt 1725/1730 Nottingham, Eng - abt 1790/1795 d. East Pennsboro, Lycoming, PA
           
           

          Hello,
           
          Looking for more information on Thomas Carpenter-124328 - b. abt 1725/1730 Nottingham, Eng - abt 1790/1795 d. East Pennsboro, Lycoming, PA.
           
          This is related to Group 15 of the Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project. See lineage page at:  http://carpentercousins.com/generallineage.htm#ssva
           
          The information below includes info from various Pennsylvania counties because of the potential overlap in county formations and such.  Counties mentioned include: Lycoming County (1795) and Northumberland County (1772). The later formed from Lancaster, Berks and Cumberland Counties. Lancaster was formed in 1729 from Chester County. Berks was formed in 1752 from Bucks, Lancaster and Philadelphia Counties.
          Cumberland was formed in 1750 from Lancaster County.
           
          Any additional help or info is appreciated.
           
          John R. Carpenter
          La Mesa, CA USA
          Carpenter Cousins Project
          http://carpentercousins.com
           
          PRF:
          Thomas Carpenter Compact Disc #15 Pin #289068 Pedigree  Sex: M
          Event(s) Birth: Nottingham, Wiltshire, England  Death: UNKNOWN
          Parents ?
          Personal Information Residence: 1790 Census. Cumberland County, Pennsylvania Residence: 1793 living in East Pennsboro Township, Cumberland, Pennsylvania Occupation: Owned 158 acres
          Notes and Sources Notes: None Sources: None
          Submitter Judy Corinne MOYNA
          709 Strawberry Point Road PO Box 429 Elkader, IA 52043
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